Line Cutters and How To Deal with Them

[kibbled_bits]

This will be my first time to leave before 5 AM.

I would expect that a lot of people cut via friends. So they have one person stand in line and then their friends & family get there and they all stand sideways as a blob.

I detest line cutters. Perhaps band together with the legitimate people inline behind and in front of you in order to call them out. Have witnesses for when BB/CC reps come by to give vouchers?

[wikipost]

This worked so well for me last year that I thought I should put it on the WIKI:

Purchase "caution tape" at your local hardware store for about $5 for a 3000 foot line. Most CC & BB stores have some sort of pillars in the front, especially if part of a mini mall. I got others in line to help me and made a sort-of makeshift stanchon between the first three pillars with caution tape. I've had BAD experiences with line cutters in the past and honestly this was the best method I've ever found.

[TrekChick]

This will be my first time to leave before 5 AM.

I would expect that a lot of people cut via friends. So they have one person stand in line and then their friends & family get there and they all stand sideways as a blob.

I detest line cutters. Perhaps band together with the legitimate people inline behind and in front of you in order to call them out. Have witnesses for when BB/CC reps come by to give vouchers?


In my experience if your anywhere near the front of the line (in position for the prime items) people are very aware of who is in front of them. I have seen arguments and even a fight ensue because of someone trying to cut in line. Make friends with those around you it really helps re-enforce the order.

[Pepsikat]

I was at Best Buy last year and they were superstars about it. About 3-4 hours before the doors opened they had people out telling everyone inventories AND telling people their name and to let them know if people are cutting in line. Where as CompUSA were letting people in the door who were running from their cars as the door opening. YMMV with lines:cool:

[fym]

This is the worst thing to deal with on BF. To tell you the truth, this is going to happen and there is noting the store will do about (BB anyway). What I am planning on doing, if I do decided to go early will be to take my camcorder, or a phone with video, and record everyone inline from the first spot, all the way to my spot and a few people behind me.

Im a nice guy and really dont care if someone jumps in line ahead of me 364 days of the year. I figure, hey, they are in a rush... let em go, no sweat. But this is the one day I dont let it slide. I actually had someone try to cut in front of me last year INSIDE THE STORE. Did not let it slide! Everyone one knows that checkout is 2-4 hours, especially with the new dumb idea they had last year of ballons for certain spots.

[kibbled_bits]

Just thought of another one. Take a pic of the line with your phone or camera.

I don't know if this is the same at BF but I notice in general when people want to cut in line they sort of graze first and once they feel like they are blended in well they will seamlessly cut in line. YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!! :O

I guess another key could be eye contact with them and if they graze too long put them in the place ;)

[AverySLC]

Taking pics or vids won't help. The only true way is for you and everyone else in line to be an arse to anyone who dares butt in.

It really depends on store management. I've seen professional lines at CompUSA and complete clusterclucks at BB. The worst I ever saw was a pregnant woman fake being sick right before opening (great acting job really), employees let her in to use the bathroom yet three minutes later she was first in line for the HP Wal-Mart lappy they did.

This is also part of the reason I don't bother with BF anymore since truly slick deals can be found year-round.

[kibbled_bits]

The worst I ever saw was a pregnant woman fake being sick right before opening (great acting job really), employees let her in to use the bathroom yet three minutes later she was first in line for the HP Wal-Mart lappy they did..
Typical Walmart trash. That's why I do not shop there anymore.

[HookedUpStang]

ATTENTION...
I was first in line (http://forums.slickdeals.net/showthread.php?sduid=115787&t=627376) last yr at my BB... There was some minor cutting going on, but its unstoppable... especially once they are physically in the line.... unless you are willing to remove them... make this BLATANTLY clear if you see someone even ATTEMPTING to cut...

In addition, i felt bad, and being the 1st in line and nothing to gain, i thought it would be a good idea if i went down the line and took peoples names.. i gave my list of 100 to the mgr when they arrived and they didnt care.. be AGAINST the wall... as close to the door as possible.. people WILL ATTEMPT TO SCREW you if you dont keep a watchful eye...

[drip52c]

This is what i do, just wait for the doors to open and rush on in....its usually too busy with everyone trying to get in that no one cares at that point......me and my buddy bogarted last year and got two walmart lappys......planning on doing the same this year....only suckers wait in line...:cheers:

[Godrockdj]

In my experience if your anywhere near the front of the line (in position for the prime items) people are very aware of who is in front of them. I have seen arguments and even a fight ensue because of someone trying to cut in line. Make friends with those around you it really helps re-enforce the order.

Agreed. My hubby was first in line last year at a big BB and they all knew each other by the end of the night. I stopped by to drop off hot soup and drinks, and some guys down the line got mad and tried to yell at me like I was cutting in the line :lol: But later on some men seriously tried to do it when BB was going by with the tix and everyone around them was like "Uh NO, he has not been in line"

You could create a written list going down the line (in pen of course). Will this be any kind of legal? No. But it might work for BF purposes.

[fym]

This is what i do, just wait for the doors to open and rush on in....its usually too busy with everyone trying to get in that no one cares at that point......me and my buddy bogarted last year and got two walmart lappys......planning on doing the same this year....only suckers wait in line...:cheers:

Although i dont agree with this, i say the store is really the ones to blame. I think they need to stress to all employees...

IF SOMEONE COMES FOR A BIG TICKET ITEM AND DOES NOT HAVE A TICKET.... THEY CANNOT BUY IT!

In 2005, i had a ticket for a toshiba laptop and they said... your guarenteed one, go ahead, walk around the store and pick up some other things (which i did do). So when i get to the line selling the laptops, i was the 5th person in line, and the lady said.... All i have is 3 more left. I was lucky i was the third person with a ticket. and everyone shouted behind me because they had tickets and no more laptops left.

[STR8OUT]

You people are crazy... and I like it. I personally couldnt do it

[Morphx2]

My girlfriend and I got there at 7am the on Thursday and were #1 and #2. Basically, by the time 2am rolled around, people towards the front passed around a notepad and had people sign their names and they kept doing rollcall every 30 minutes to see if everyone was still there and if people cut in line. Then a police officer came to help the line too. My girlfriend and I basically knew everyone in the first 10 and everyone behind us knew us too, so we were fine.

I think we are going to get there at 6am Thursday this year, when we got there last year, someone came around 15 minutes after us....if we arent #1 and #2 it just isnt fun.

The general manager helped me too. Basically there were HUGE HUGE lines for tv's computers and things and I told him basically that I am dizzy and weak and was the first one in line and just want to go home. He said sure thing and zoomed me to the front of each line. I was getting tired/dizzy/weak too, so it worked good.

[jmackd]

I think the stores are assuming too much liability by allowing people to line-up/camp out early. Imagine if a fight broke out - you know that BB or Wal-mart or whatever store would be the ones getting sued. They really should block off their parking lots and not allow anyone near the store until it opens.

[rmboy211]

I think the stores are assuming too much liability by allowing people to line-up/camp out early. Imagine if a fight broke out - you know that BB or Wal-mart or whatever store would be the ones getting sued. They really should block off their parking lots and not allow anyone near the store until it opens.

This is what happens if they just open up the doors.

RUN RUN RUN (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVvEChXulSs)

[HookedUpStang]

This is what i do, just wait for the doors to open and rush on in....its usually too busy with everyone trying to get in that no one cares at that point......me and my buddy bogarted last year and got two walmart lappys......planning on doing the same this year....only suckers wait in line...:cheers:

Its funny because the 2 kids i picked to camp out... are... well large kids... and ill be damned if im gonna let ANYONE get infront of me if i waited... People say that waiting outside isnt worth their time.. well think who will be waiting outside (someone with nothing to lose?)...

A descreetly hidden taser (you can get an sd on these) can be hidden in your pocket, and guess what, you get no lappy, and everyone whose rushing in will trample you... just a warning... I have and WILL defend my turf...

In addition.. a lot of the "bogarting" and nonsense happens at walmart.... at BB things are a bit different, and the people have more $$, IE, somewhat of a higher quality person....
Congrats on cutting the line!
Do you want a prize? or just endless bad luck because you took a laptop out of a starving college students hand?

[zohyeahz]

Purchase "caution tape" at your local hardware store for about $5 for a 3000 foot line. Most CC & BB stores have some sort of pillars in the front, especially if part of a mini mall. I got others in line to help me and made a sort-of makeshift stanchon between the first three pillars with caution tape. I've had BAD experiences with line cutters in the past and honestly this was the best method I've ever found.

[XXnarg]

I think the stores are assuming too much liability by allowing people to line-up/camp out early. Imagine if a fight broke out - you know that BB or Wal-mart or whatever store would be the ones getting sued. They really should block off their parking lots and not allow anyone near the store until it opens.Then the lines would form out on the sidewalk, and fights would still break out as people charged the building - or drivers would run over some pedestrian. It would be impossible to have the parking lot open up all at once. Think of having to install a 10' chain link fence that would automatically collapse all at once. :no:

I don't go to BF anymore. Too much hassle and not enough good deals.

[bigjajapoof]

I guess i'll give my experience last year at the Best Buy on Concordville pike in Delaware.

I got out there around 10pm and there was already a heavy line. I got in line with my friend for about 45 minutes just to make my presense known. Then i asked the people in front of me and behind me if it was ok that me and my friend alternate back and forth being in line so we could warm up in the car. In return if i went to the store i'd bring back coffee or donuts for anyone. Sure enough when i got back and my friend was sleeping on the sidewalk, someone had tried to take our spot but the people in line told them to get to the back of the line. Alot of people started yelling and a cop was driving by so he moved to the back.

When best buy started handing out flyers there were alot of people who tried to get in line, but alot of people was like "uh uh he wasn't in line" and the best buy people told them to get to the back of the line. Also a good idea and technique to embrace is what i call the Kickoff Return blockers. If you ever notice in football on the kick off return there's the couple guys who are like coupled together by the arms and it looks like a moving wall. That's what me and my friend did. We locked arms and put our elbows out so that nobody could come in between us or from the side. It works, lemme tell you that much. Also get an umbrella (bigger the better) and open it and hold it off to your side. That will deter people, get a cheap one so that you can ditch it when you get to the door.

At the end of the day i was able to get my 32" Westy from BB and was even able to use the best buy coupon they had :yummy:

Remember....When it comes to black friday....remember this one phrase.....THIS IS FOR SPAAARTA!!!!

[HookedUpStang]

. Also get an umbrella (bigger the better) and open it and hold it off to your side. That will deter people, get a cheap one so that you can ditch it when you get to the door.

At the end of the day i was able to get my 32" Westy from BB and was even able to use the best buy coupon they had :yummy:

Remember....When it comes to black friday....remember this one phrase.....THIS IS FOR SPAAARTA!!!!

I really dig the penguin umbrella to the side idea! One of those golf ones with a metal spike!

Plasma rifle= Taser...

Either way, if a brute comes my way... hes going down, and im moving forward!

In addition, i got 4 of those 32" westys last yr, and the 42"s... and the 50"s... i got evertything!

[sofakingbroke]

When the Wii was released I bought a $3 pack of number flashcards in the toy section at Walmart. There was 1 man in front of me, I handed him the #1 card, gave my son the #2, took the #3 for myself, and handed out the others in order as people showed up. It worked out awesome! About 15 minutes before the midnight release (inside Walmart) some white trash woman came in and barged to the front of the line despite everyones protests. When the manager (who had been there several hours prior and witnessed our "system") started selling the Wiis she asked for our number cards in order and refused to sell one to the line crasher, everyone that had waited in line cheered! It was a thing of beauty to behold.

[HookedUpStang]

When the Wii was released I bought a $3 pack of number flashcards in the toy section at Walmart. There was 1 man in front of me, I handed him the #1 card, gave my son the #2, took the #3 for myself, and handed out the others in order as people showed up. It worked out awesome! About 15 minutes before the midnight release (inside Walmart) some white trash woman came in and barged to the front of the line despite everyones protests. When the manager (who had been there several hours prior and witnessed our "system") started selling the Wiis she asked for our number cards in order and refused to sell one to the line crasher, everyone that had waited in line cheered! It was a thing of beauty to behold.

That wont fly in NY/NJ or atleast i dont think so..
And i can read it, but im not a geek

[Mustinger]

ALEX sucks

[southernflyer]

My roommate and I went to CC two years ago for BF and stayed ovvernight starting at 7pm the night before. We were lucky to be #13 and 14 for the laptops for $199, minumum 15. We had a great time, brought over my heavy 32 inch tv, his Xbox and brought up his pickup near the front of the line, and ran a 200 foot extension cord around the side to hook them up. We even played poker and drink beer with people, and got to know everyone around us.

About an hour before opening, three people walked up and "slid in"next to a family, stating that their children had been holding their places all night. There were about 500 people in line by this time, and we called the cops.

Turns out these people were country bumpkins. The cop asked what kind of credit card the kids had to buy the computers and sign up for AOL, they gave the cops a hard time, and they all were kicked out of line except for one of them.

I also hate the Embry-Riddle college kids around here who think they can walk up 15 minutes before the store opens, and try to offer $100 to everyone for their spot in line. They even kept walking around as everyone was in line to buy their computers. Some guy took it for $250 ... which took away any reason to buy it on BF ... except to tell their friends how they "scored a cheap lappy" that their parents were paying for anyway.

[Superpumpkin]

[QUOTE=HookedUpStang;8272017]A descreetly hidden taser (you can get an sd on these) can be hidden in your pocket, and guess what, you get no lappy, and everyone whose rushing in will trample you... just a warning... I have and WILL defend my turf...QUOTE]

Hahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!! By the way, everytime I go into the Hicksville Target I laugh because of you

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[Superpumpkin]

A descreetly hidden taser (you can get an sd on these) can be hidden in your pocket, and guess what, you get no lappy, and everyone whose rushing in will trample you... just a warning... I have and WILL defend my turf...


This is truly funny even funnier is everytime my friends and I go to target for a deal we laugh at your episodes.:lol: :lol:

[ericcartman]

Just thought of another one. Take a pic of the line with your phone or camera.

Actually, this isn't a bad idea. Not for controlling the cutters, because it will happen and pictures won't help. If the stores/law enforcement don't try to enforce the line order you're SOL.
But the pictures would be good to post on an internet "wall of shame" site.:lmao:

[gsutoph]

Just grab em and push em back out of line.

[TrekChick]

Agreed. My hubby was first in line last year at a big BB and they all knew each other by the end of the night. I stopped by to drop off hot soup and drinks, and some guys down the line got mad and tried to yell at me like I was cutting in the line :lol: But later on some men seriously tried to do it when BB was going by with the tix and everyone around them was like "Uh NO, he has not been in line"

You could create a written list going down the line (in pen of course). Will this be any kind of legal? No. But it might work for BF purposes.

Wait, that sounds familiar, you werent at the Plymouth Meeting PA store were you? Was it your husband that was threatened with a tazer? If you were, we had a chat :)

Was anyone else at the Plymouth Meeting store last year and experienced the stupidity of moving the line from one side of the building to the other when there were a couple of hundred people waiting? And experience the riot that followed along with the police being called in for crowd control! The only people that managed to maintain their positions were the first 20 or so. I'm hoping wherever i go this year will be much quieter!

[drip52c]

Its funny because the 2 kids i picked to camp out... are... well large kids... and ill be damned if im gonna let ANYONE get infront of me if i waited... People say that waiting outside isnt worth their time.. well think who will be waiting outside (someone with nothing to lose?)...

A descreetly hidden taser (you can get an sd on these) can be hidden in your pocket, and guess what, you get no lappy, and everyone whose rushing in will trample you... just a warning... I have and WILL defend my turf...

In addition.. a lot of the "bogarting" and nonsense happens at walmart.... at BB things are a bit different, and the people have more $$, IE, somewhat of a higher quality person....
Congrats on cutting the line!
Do you want a prize? or just endless bad luck because you took a laptop out of a starving college students hand?


Doesnt work with us kids from boyle heights, we thuggin all the way to the front and still no one says a word....or even tries to say anything for that matter....lol.....

overall, bestbuy has the best system.....but still not fool proof...

[g-man430]

Pepper spray and a taser? :dontknow:

[McGriff]

Doesnt work with us kids from boyle heights, we thuggin all the way to the front and still no one says a word....or even tries to say anything for that matter....lol.....

sure buddy....i believe you

[Troublestylist]

Pepperspray?
Tasers?
Standing in line all night?
Fights?
Spending $250 to cut in line get $200 off a computer??????

Wow...sounds more like a "sickdeal" to me. :shake:

Greg

[drip52c]

sure buddy....i believe you

lol, you were prolly the poor sap who waited all night and got cutted in front of....lol

[Scottk]

But do you let people hold places in line while others wait in the car? It gets pretty crazy what to allow and what not to allow. Most people would say that if you can't stand the cold or conditions and have to sit in the warm car, then you don't deserve to get the good stuff. Other people who are by themselves or just don't want to get out of line have to endure the entire time outside. I don't know. Obviously people bum rushing the door right when they open is wrong, but how do you make the calls on the little things?

[g-man430]

But do you let people hold places in line while others wait in the car? It gets pretty crazy what to allow and what not to allow. Most people would say that if you can't stand the cold or conditions and have to sit in the warm car, then you don't deserve to get the good stuff. Other people who are by themselves or just don't want to get out of line have to endure the entire time outside. I don't know. Obviously people bum rushing the door right when they open is wrong, but how do you make the calls on the little things?

Well, if they have their car pulled up right next to where they're camped out then I allow it. It is a different story though if they're out in the parking lot.

[KingDeuceOff]

Alright I've never done the whole black friday thing...but here's my question. does bestbuy restrict the number of items you can buy? I'm not talking about a limit on an individual item, but rather if I was first could I buy one of every doorbuster?

So if i was first and they had 15 good deals and I wanted to but 1 of every one of those deals? Or do they restrict it to one or two deals per person?

[phistyle]

You can write a stupid list of all the ppl in the line all you want and the employees at best buy wont care...surely if I worked at best buy I wouldnt give a rats ass about your list....Put urself in the position of the employee......why do more work than they have to when gettin payed the minimum wage.....restoring order in a hectic and crazy line not going to up their pay is it? most likely not...

[nafetsnafets]

i say hang bum rushers

[fym]

Alright I've never done the whole black friday thing...but here's my question. does bestbuy restrict the number of items you can buy? I'm not talking about a limit on an individual item, but rather if I was first could I buy one of every doorbuster?

So if i was first and they had 15 good deals and I wanted to but 1 of every one of those deals? Or do they restrict it to one or two deals per person?

you can get 1 of every deal.

[dzap]

Here;s how I deal with line cutters..pepper spray and stun gun :D

[nafetsnafets]

i think the most effective thing would be to get ahold of one of those halloween cop costumes on some sort of post-halloween SD and make it look legit then just show up wearing that ...
this might inadvertently earn you the front of the line + respect from idiots (aka line cutters)
of course they'll catch you eventually, but ....

[MichaelHunt]

I really dig the penguin umbrella to the side idea! One of those golf ones with a metal spike!

Plasma rifle= Taser...

Either way, if a brute comes my way... hes going down, and im moving forward!

In addition, i got 4 of those 32" westys last yr, and the 42"s... and the 50"s... i got evertything!

How'd you get so many Tv's? Don't they limit those to 1 per customer?

[D3ALm@niac]

I don't know if this is the same at BF but I notice in general when people want to cut in line they sort of graze first and once they feel like they are blended in well they will seamlessly cut in line. YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!!

now that you pointed it out, more are sure to follow :lol: :vomit:

[HookedUpStang]

Doesnt work with us kids from boyle heights, we thuggin all the way to the front and still no one says a word....or even tries to say anything for that matter....lol.....
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lol, you were prolly the poor sap who waited all night and got cutted in front of....lol

i say hang bum rushers

Here;s how I deal with line cutters..pepper spray and stun gun :D

You wonder who the people are who get shot at black friday... Mind you its highly stereotyped, and i have no idea where boyle heights is... but i can just imagine some kid and his friends trying to "roll to the front" of the line, and they cut "Debo"... or more importantly, the skinny guy who looks like he cant harm a fly (a reason to carry a weapon)... He slept out there for his $100 hard drive.... Your always the bigger tougher guy until someone pulls a weapon on you or hits you over the back of the head...

When people rush in the door of that walmart video you see people falling on the floor, what would happen if the line realized you were cutting... a "OG gangster" like yourself must be familiar with what its like to get stomped... well i wish you the best of luck, and i hope theres no REAL toughguy in line.

[jayeskreezy]

yeah that dude is wildin.....where is boyle heights? nobody outside of LA knows about that or cares...u wouldnt come with that nonsense on the east coast that's 4 sho...lol

anyway, I have seen some rowdy people in lines...particularly ps3 when we camped out for 2 days, but I have yet to see one step to me or my husband...nobody bothers you if you're koo people...it helps too that my hubby looks like an ex-nfl player... ;)

[job48]

Last year at Staples, I got there around 4 AM to get a laptop. There was no one in line when I go there. As I got out and put on my cold weather gear, a guy got out of one of the cars and stood there. He was there before me. There was a Tahoe with a couple women in it. After I stood outside in the cold for nearly 2 hours, when it gets close to time to get serious, one of them gets out and comes to stand in front of me. She said "I was here before you were" and my reply was that may be true, but you have been sitting in your warm truck for the last 2 hours. You are free to join the back of the line. She decided to join the back of the line.

Staples is the best in my area. Circuit City is the worse. 2 years ago, I waited in line to get a printer @ CC. When it was near time to open, a mob rushed the door. No one inside cared. So now you have hundreds and hundreds of people packed against the door. When they opened, as I approached the door bodies literally got log jammed. Several hands pushed me in the back and shoved me through. My back hurt for a while. CC has to really have something I want bad for me to go there again.

[jackspat2]

This thread is hilarious. From observing what everyone has said here, numbers seem to be the best option to deal with line cutters.

1. Get there early.
2. Make friends with everyone around you and make an agreement to deal with line cutters.
3. Buy donuts and coffee for the people who want to join your coalition.

Maybe call the store the day before and see what their policy is going to be.

[dble00dumb]

My girlfriend and I got there at 7am the on Thursday and were #1 and #2. Basically, by the time 2am rolled around, people towards the front passed around a notepad and had people sign their names and they kept doing rollcall every 30 minutes to see if everyone was still there and if people cut in line. Then a police officer came to help the line too. My girlfriend and I basically knew everyone in the first 10 and everyone behind us knew us too, so we were fine.

You showed up 23 hours early? And on thanksgiving day... to wait in line? Wow... That's intense..

[drip52c]

yeah that dude is wildin.....where is boyle heights? nobody outside of LA knows about that or cares...u wouldnt come with that nonsense on the east coast that's 4 sho...lol

anyway, I have seen some rowdy people in lines...particularly ps3 when we camped out for 2 days, but I have yet to see one step to me or my husband...nobody bothers you if you're koo people...it helps too that my hubby looks like an ex-nfl player... ;)

east coast...lol....

exactly, no one will step up if your intimidating....hence, bum rush the doors as soon as they open........there is usually a crowd lurking by the front doors and the line, so as soon as they open and the melee starts you blend in and bum rush....of course people are yelling and what not but what are they gonna do complain and miss out on a deal that they waited all night for...yeah right,,,,

[brmathews]

You showed up 23 hours early? And on thanksgiving day... to wait in line? Wow... That's intense..
seriously, I have a family to see and whatnot

[RainmanCP]

every BF i've gone to there always been line cutters
stores don't do much to help
other people in line usually don't care in the area i'm in
sigh...hopefully there's nothing i want this year

[gazr]

I don't know why they can't use those numbered tab thingies you get at the meat counter at the supermarket or Secretary of State office when they call you up. If you don't have a number that corresponds with the position you are in line, then you're kicked out line before entering the store. One person through the door every 10 seconds to avoid mad rush. I know this idea would not work, but one can dream :)

[longislandmom]

That wont fly in NY/NJ or atleast i dont think so..
And i can read it, but im not a geek

Oh, man! NY'ers are the worst of the lot! :bash:

[racefan6]

east coast...lol....

exactly, no one will step up if your intimidating....hence, bum rush the doors as soon as they open........there is usually a crowd lurking by the front doors and the line, so as soon as they open and the melee starts you blend in and bum rush....of course people are yelling and what not but what are they gonna do complain and miss out on a deal that they waited all night for...yeah right,,,,

With 15 minutes to go before door opening, the parking lot crowd began inching toward the door in hopes of jumping in front of all the people in line. Next thing I knew over half of the BB employees came outside and formed a human fence separating the people in line from the parking lot crowd preventing them from horning in. Gotta luv BB.

[Rebound]

After much research (i.e., reading all the ad circulars in the paper), I chose Target. I arrived around 4 or 5 AM, which put me about 10th in line.

Sure enough, just before store opening, the line had reached maybe 200 people, and a bunch of lowlifes congregated against the street, in the parking lot. They rushed the door, and the guy at the door didn't do a thing about it. A huge woman tried to run past me, so I grabbed the door frame and stiff-armed her. It musta hurt, but the guy at the door let her right in, even though it was easy to tell who was jumping in line.

I think the Flash Card idea is great, by the way.

[waytoodeep03]

man this reminds me of the ps3 launch. 500 people outside of circuity city. They had 4 ps3's I paid 1$00 to get the first spot in line only for CC to hold a raffle and hour later. Man I lost out big time

[jayeskreezy]

east coast...lol....

exactly, no one will step up if your intimidating....hence, bum rush the doors as soon as they open........there is usually a crowd lurking by the front doors and the line, so as soon as they open and the melee starts you blend in and bum rush....of course people are yelling and what not but what are they gonna do complain and miss out on a deal that they waited all night for...yeah right,,,,
east coast > west coast all day I mean be serious....I guarantee your tactics wont work in Boston (not suburbs either), NYC, Camden NJ, Atlantic City NJ, North Jersey, Philly, Baltimore, DC....etc.... dude I'm only halfway down the coast...cmonnnnnnnnn....get outta here with tha "tuff guy" bravado

...BUT I will say nobody can do anything about bumrushing, but that's not cutting IMO-I meant people who visibly try to jump in a quasi orderly line in front of someone else...I only go to stores that give out tickets if I really want an item that way if a bumrush occurs it doesn't matter if you have a ticket...now for walmart the "broyle heights BF method" might work...lol, but if you don't go alone then you should be aight anyway...

and for the bumrushing the door if you DONT get a ticket....I LOVE IT! I'm slim and quick and it's fun...I always manage to get through. However, people who want big ticket items are usually waiting and not bumrushing-which is what I was referring to

[jayeskreezy]

man this reminds me of the ps3 launch. 500 people outside of circuity city. They had 4 ps3's I paid 1$00 to get the first spot in line only for CC to hold a raffle and hour later. Man I lost out big time

dang that really sucks....Im glad no stores I was at pulled that...management could at least let you know. The BB I was at my hubby and I were #2 & #3 in line and we had an organized list and the GM was there the whole time and it was so orderly all the way through. (Thats why you go to stores in the suburbs-usually the one that sells the most is the one they care about making the best impression the most.) The pre-orders on the wii's and PS3s were the best ideas ever. We ended up with 6 ps3's (60gb) and 4-5 wii's. It's funny though we ended up returning 3 ps3's and the wii's sold much better.

[HookedUpStang]

This is great... i cant wait for this year.. im so hyped up right now i cant control myself... In addition maybe that "boyle" style works in warm weather where people havent struggled a plight while waiting....

Last yr it was raining and around 40 degrees...

Thats what causes someone to "xxx" the guy running by them.... pick your poison:stab,punch, stun, trip, blackjack, pepperspray....

I would have really loved to see someone try and get by me last year, and just the comments alone have me looking for a 200k baton online...

dang that really sucks....Im glad no stores I was at pulled that...management could at least let you know. The BB I was at my hubby and I were #2 & #3 in line and we had an organized list and the GM was there the whole time and it was so orderly all the way through. (Thats why you go to stores in the suburbs-usually the one that sells the most is the one they care about making the best impression the most.) The pre-orders on the wii's and PS3s were the best ideas ever. We ended up with 6 ps3's (60gb) and 4-5 wii's. It's funny though we ended up returning 3 ps3's and the wii's sold much better.

PS3 will never be a hot seller... but Wii will STILL be in short supply and sell for a slight premium this season...

[kibbled_bits]

PS3 will never be a hot seller... but Wii will STILL be in short supply and sell for a slight premium this season...
PS3, Wii & Bluray were on the top 10 list of must have items in a poll I think recently. With the $399 price tag I could see it selling well.

Wii should continue to sell well.

[drip52c]

east coast > west coast all day I mean be serious....I guarantee your tactics wont work in Boston (not suburbs either), NYC, Camden NJ, Atlantic City NJ, North Jersey, Philly, Baltimore, DC....etc.... dude I'm only halfway down the coast...cmonnnnnnnnn....get outta here with tha "tuff guy" bravado

...BUT I will say nobody can do anything about bumrushing, but that's not cutting IMO-I meant people who visibly try to jump in a quasi orderly line in front of someone else...I only go to stores that give out tickets if I really want an item that way if a bumrush occurs it doesn't matter if you have a ticket...now for walmart the "broyle heights BF method" might work...lol, but if you don't go alone then you should be aight anyway...

and for the bumrushing the door if you DONT get a ticket....I LOVE IT! I'm slim and quick and it's fun...I always manage to get through. However, people who want big ticket items are usually waiting and not bumrushing-which is what I was referring to

No bravado, just facts.......but yes, linecutting is different then bumrushing....but bumrushing works in cali, so far so good......and last year there were cops present but like i said it was to much of it going on that no one was going to do anything about it...

[lakeforestdude]

I hate line cutters.I go early and be in like first 15, that helps.The line starts around 4pm and by 5pm there will be 40 odd some people. I loved '05 BF really. Got cheap laptop for $299+tax(missed the $199 one by one person) and free money from AOL(that was $250 no kidding).LOL. Stupid AOL.

[colleend]

Last year at CC, we set up tents
near the front door in order. nobody
attempted to jump in front of us.
I think the flashcards are a great idea
or a sign up list.they will not know if
it legit or not and will keep order.

[ZLeathal1]

Or make yourself a "Guns don't kill people; I kill people" shirt

[madeyoulook]

I love the flashcard idea!

[Tel0004]

I could also Open Carry my Glock 17. I think that might keep people at bay

*It may not be legal in your state, so I would check on that before taking my advise. At least its legal in Ohio.

[vquasarv]

I love the Flash Card idea too... but I think it would be even better if you also had a stamp... any old stamp, like a red smiley face or something. That way you could show it to the manager or even let the manager control it... then you would have like an authentication symbol.

But then again... I'm a BF noob. This will be my first attempt this year.

[tr0gd0r]

Why are you complaining about people rushing the door when the store opens? All the deals are handed out as tickets to the people in line anyways. The "door rushers" still wont be able to get the deals.

[gwad_k]

I could also Open Carry my Glock 17. I think that might keep people at bay

*It may not be legal in your state, so I would check on that before taking my advise. At least its legal in Ohio.

Let me know what city/store you plan on sitting at. I'll be in Columbus for the 2nd year now. Did Dayton/BB in 2005, but I'm not out for busters this year.

[peoples]

bestbuy is horrible(despite the attempts by the employees to gain control), and like everyone says there is nothing you can do to prevent it. So I always start at staples (they always have something good).

Last year I didn't even want anything, but two friends of mine wanted to go, so I went. I had to show them the ropes since I've been doing it for about 15 years.

Staples is great, because its never so bad that people are camping overnight with tents. And somehow I always manage to be withing first 5 people in line. Usually because everyone is sitting in their cars waiting for the first person to walk up in the cold. When they do its a mad rush. Usually that first person is an employee...but by the time you figure that out its too late. Nobody is willing to give up their spot.

Oh well.

[halokiti]

Did anyone write this: use a different color(not black, red, or blue) Sharpie and mark people's hands with numbers.

[Waffle S.S.]

Set up a sentry gun near the door that shoots anything moving faster than 0.3 miles per hour

[jayeskreezy]

Set up a sentry gun near the door that shoots anything moving faster than 0.3 miles per hour
lol...thats hilarious

[phazein]

Last year at Best Buy There was major cutting. We went from being 17th-20th in line to about 34 and on. This year I am bringing more people and my brothers pit. I have been bulking her up with beef and chicken everyday for the last 2 months now.

[Faethe]

Oh people get mental in Orlando for deals. Not worth it. Unless you are into extreme negative confrontation. However, because of the last bunch of activity, some places have security guards out early. What's popular is that someone waits in line for half the night, and then someone jacks them on the way to their car. This happened at Mall of Millenia, which is an extreme upscale Mall. Pretty freaky. It's stuff like this that makes me wonder why some stores bother? All the stuff is gone by the time regulars get there. I could understand when it used to be an incentive to show up and shop, but now it's dangerous. You can do so much better buying coupons off ebay, combining stuff with rebates and sales, and resales. Before the internet Black Friday may have been a thrill. Not now, not for me. Maybe if I had a crowd of people to go wait with - then it's more about fun than loot :)

[jayeskreezy]

Oh people get mental in Orlando for deals. Not worth it. Unless you are into extreme negative confrontation. However, because of the last bunch of activity, some places have security guards out early. What's popular is that someone waits in line for half the night, and then someone jacks them on the way to their car. This happened at Mall of Millenia, which is an extreme upscale Mall. Pretty freaky. It's stuff like this that makes me wonder why some stores bother? All the stuff is gone by the time regulars get there. I could understand when it used to be an incentive to show up and shop, but now it's dangerous. You can do so much better buying coupons off ebay, combining stuff with rebates and sales, and resales. Before the internet Black Friday may have been a thrill. Not now, not for me. Maybe if I had a crowd of people to go wait with - then it's more about fun than loot :)
i'll be in orlando this yr for BF and im sure its not as bad or any worse than other BF's I've experienced....ie the running of the bulls and people using carts as weapons in a baltimore area walmart, the mob scene at best buy in boston, etc. lol...it's BF and people wanna get a deal...lol

anyway, I wont be in the millenia area-the mall is nice, but I dont think the area is that great...u pretty much gotta drive to get from one side to the other

...Faethe can you tell me how the lines and stuff are there and the people in lines? Do they get there extra early? Are they pretty friendly or are they out for blood?...In Boston the people in line were mad hostile (it was cold and wet though so I understand) and dont talk. In MD people tend to be friendlier and u can have decent conversation....

[pearl2000]

Last year at Best Buy There was major cutting. We went from being 17th-20th in line to about 34 and on. This year I am bringing more people and my brothers pit. I have been bulking her up with beef and chicken everyday for the last 2 months now.

Bringing a pit-bull. Now, thats an idea..:lmao:

[Made2Act]

i'll be in orlando this yr for BF and im sure its not as bad or any worse than other BF's I've experienced....ie the running of the bulls and people using carts as weapons in a baltimore area walmart, the mob scene at best buy in boston, etc. lol...it's BF and people wanna get a deal...lol

anyway, I wont be in the millenia area-the mall is nice, but I dont think the area is that great...u pretty much gotta drive to get from one side to the other

...Faethe can you tell me how the lines and stuff are there and the people in lines? Do they get there extra early? Are they pretty friendly or are they out for blood?...In Boston the people in line were mad hostile (it was cold and wet though so I understand) and dont talk. In MD people tend to be friendlier and u can have decent conversation....

:rofl2: I read "carts" as "cats"

[AverySLC]

Reading this thread reminds me of why I don't really go out on BF anymore - too many people acting like crazed animals to save $20, too many families with four kids younger than ten also buying laptops, too much bs.

Here's to hoping that we can get in on some of these deals online the day of or before and butt heads online from the comforts of our own homes.:woot:

[jrbrangi]

Bringing a pit-bull. Now, thats an idea..:lmao:

You gotta get the seeing eye dog harness for it. That would be classic.

[phazein]

You gotta get the seeing eye dog harness for it. That would be classic.

Lol Find me a slickdeal on one and ill show pics of me doing it.

[cpnqn]

I'm little- as line cutters dive in, I just weave back against the wall and maneuver on up to where I've made friends ahead of me- let the angry people fight with them, I just move ahead of them...

[MoonSprite]

I use the trick of keeping my elbows out and hooking arms with my sister. It gets cold around here, so we are always in big bulky jackets. I do not, under any circumstances, let anyone get in front of me. LAst year, WM had cops patroling and the line was roped off. Last minute bumrushers had to wait until the entire line got into the store before they were allowed inside.

[HookedUpStang]

A dog is a bad idea... its gonna pee on someone... in addition its simple to call 911 bc of a pitt... 5-0 will make you leave the line... trust me someone will blow the whistle on you if you bring a viscous animal..

Also carrying a gun in plain sight (in a state where thats legal) is also silly... you think you are the only one packing? In addition, what are you gonna do if someone cuts you, and says "WHAT U GONNA DO ABOUT IT?"...

Its like pulling out a weapon, unless you are going to use it, you are just putting yourself in danger.

[kibbled_bits]

Also carrying a gun in plain sight (in a state where thats legal) is also silly... you think you are the only one packing? In addition, what are you gonna do if someone cuts you, and says "WHAT U GONNA DO ABOUT IT?"...

Good point stang. As a CHL holder these moments call for responsibility only pull your weapon if your life is threatened. I'll probably leave mine at home because I'd rather not have it on me if there's a brawl, lol.

Where do you guys draw the line with cutters. If someone's husband/wife creeps into line with their spouse do you call them out? If not what happens when their kids cut in line too? I'd like to know how to handle this.

Personally I think people shouldn't hold spots unless someone's using the restroom. What does everyone else think?

[phazein]

A dog is a bad idea... its gonna pee on someone... in addition its simple to call 911 bc of a pitt... 5-0 will make you leave the line... trust me someone will blow the whistle on you if you bring a viscous animal..



Its like pulling out a weapon, unless you are going to use it, you are just putting yourself in danger.

As long as its on a leash and under control there shouldn't be any problem.

[NVZBlity]

I really liked how my local microcenter handled it last year. For every hot item, they had employees give out tickets for different items about an hour before the actual opening. And at opening hour, they allowed only 50 people in at a time for the first hour.

[phistyle]

Good point stang. As a CHL holder these moments call for responsibility only pull your weapon if your life is threatened. I'll probably leave mine at home because I'd rather not have it on me if there's a brawl, lol.

Where do you guys draw the line with cutters. If someone's husband/wife creeps into line with their spouse do you call them out? If not what happens when their kids cut in line too? I'd like to know how to handle this.

Personally I think people shouldn't hold spots unless someone's using the restroom. What does everyone else think?
this is how i would do it....if they cut in front of me...I just walk up around in front of them and cut them back and not say a damn thing...this will most definitely work...what they gonna do? not a damn thing cuz they know whats up if i do it....

[FrozENFyRe]

My uncle and I were number 1/2 in line at the Roseville, California BestBuy. We were lined up as early as Tuesday afternoon. #3 and #4 came to line up Wednesday afternoon. My point im making is people literally SKIP thanksgiving in order to get on to these deals. Its more difficult if you have a family, like myself, but I was waiting in line because they wanted stuff too, so no problems. I can stick with leftovers. Hell a person can have a turkey dinner 364.25 other days a year, meanwhile, you can only partake in a blackfriday once a year!

Oh and regarding line cutters, there was this very shaggy looking man approaching the front 1-2 hours prior to opening. We caught him once, and told him to go to the back of the line... he moved back about 4 spots HAHA. It was the most pathetic thing, I swear. Eventually we all went up to him and escorted him back there, and warned everyone to WATCH OUT

[eyem@cvs]

lol, you were prolly the poor sap who waited all night and got cutted in front of....lol


:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: Slickdeals gangsters.

Hope you used a coupon on them gold teef.

[Dr. kNOw]

I go with two of my biggest friends, get there early and let it be known to anyone who looks like they might cut that the line forms behind us, or further back.

Oh and Steel toe boots, pepper spray and a blackjack also help keep the bumrushers at bay.

[zhelder]

Sigh. All the stories in this thread have strengthened my belief that BF as I used to know it is over. It used to be great, and I used to go out every year for at least 10 years. Now, I don't usually bother, especially at the big electronics stores.

It used to be easy to get deals by wating in line outside for an hour and in line inside for maybe a half hour. About 4-5 years ago, however, things got significantly worse, and they've gotten worse every year since. Now you have to camp out for two days outside, wait four hours on line inside, and bring stun guns or pit bulls (as others have suggested) to ensure people don't cut you (in line or on your body). I love bargains as much as anyone else, but this is too much even for me to handle.

The retailers are very rarely held accountable for the hysteria that they create with BF (even though they should be), which is why this nonsense is allowed. Maybe is someone is seriously hurt they'll settle for a few thousand dollars, but I haven't hurt of too many full trials for BF incidents.

Why can't the electronics reatilers and department stores offer enough stock to meet demand? Or offer rainchecks? (Why are electronics stores the only retailers who don't offer rainchecks on items?) BF hysteria would be eliminated. But the electronics retailers don't want this. They want the hysteria. And if some people get hurt or even killed, so be it. That's business, after all.

BF isn't totally dead. I got a few things at Linens & Things and Bed Bath and Beyond last year. They had TONS of stock on their sale items, and both stores were relatively quiet (because everyone else was risking his life at CC or BB). What a concept.

Retailers have been allowed to get away with murder (literally and figuratively) in how they treat their customers. It's a shame, and absolutely unnecessary.

If you go out on BF, have fun, and be careful.

[sonic99]

Sigh. All the stories in this thread have strengthened my belief that BF as I used to know it is over. It used to be great, and I used to go out every year for at least 10 years. Now, I don't usually bother, especially at the big electronics stores.

It used to be easy to get deals by wating in line outside for an hour and in line inside for maybe a half hour. About 4-5 years ago, however, things got significantly worse, and they've gotten worse every year since. Now you have to camp out for two days outside, wait four hours on line inside, and bring stun guns or pit bulls (as others have suggested) to ensure people don't cut you (in line or on your body). I love bargains as much as anyone else, but this is too much even for me to handle.

The retailers are very rarely held accountable for the hysteria that they create with BF (even though they should be), which is why this nonsense is allowed. Maybe is someone is seriously hurt they'll settle for a few thousand dollars, but I haven't hurt of too many full trials for BF incidents.

Why can't the electronics reatilers and department stores offer enough stock to meet demand? Or offer rainchecks? (Why are electronics stores the only retailers who don't offer rainchecks on items?) BF hysteria would be eliminated. But the electronics retailers don't want this. They want the hysteria. And if some people get hurt or even killed, so be it. That's business, after all.

BF isn't totally dead. I got a few things at Linens & Things and Bed Bath and Beyond last year. They had TONS of stock on their sale items, and both stores were relatively quiet (because everyone else was risking his life at CC or BB). What a concept.

Retailers have been allowed to get away with murder (literally and figuratively) in how they treat their customers. It's a shame, and absolutely unnecessary.

If you go out on BF, have fun, and be careful.
That's because it's an eBay reseller day now. All of the people lining up are most likely so poor, they have nothing to lose and will risk it all to make a hundred bucks selling a laptop on eBay.

[dratz]

My roommate and I went to CC two years ago for BF and stayed ovvernight starting at 7pm the night before. We were lucky to be #13 and 14 for the laptops for $199, minumum 15. We had a great time, brought over my heavy 32 inch tv, his Xbox and brought up his pickup near the front of the line, and ran a 200 foot extension cord around the side to hook them up. We even played poker and drink beer with people, and got to know everyone around us.

About an hour before opening, three people walked up and "slid in"next to a family, stating that their children had been holding their places all night. There were about 500 people in line by this time, and we called the cops.

Turns out these people were country bumpkins. The cop asked what kind of credit card the kids had to buy the computers and sign up for AOL, they gave the cops a hard time, and they all were kicked out of line except for one of them.

I also hate the Embry-Riddle college kids around here who think they can walk up 15 minutes before the store opens, and try to offer $100 to everyone for their spot in line. They even kept walking around as everyone was in line to buy their computers. Some guy took it for $250 ... which took away any reason to buy it on BF ... except to tell their friends how they "scored a cheap lappy" that their parents were paying for anyway.

Wow that sort of happened down here in Ocala. I saw you were talking about ER college people, so I presume you are over in daytona?

[MJY6087]

bring a 9mm and some ammo, wave it around, that should stop the line cutting

[PatLovestoShop]

I second pepper spray ROFLMAO.

[kfrancia]

last year at bb they had a list going so that helped alot it also let me go home while my cousin or friend would hold the spot incase we had to go to the bathroom or grab some things to keep us busy

[zhelder]

That's because it's an eBay reseller day now. All of the people lining up are most likely so poor, they have nothing to lose and will risk it all to make a hundred bucks selling a laptop on eBay.

Agree about the eBay factor, but disagree about most of the people doing this being poor. I find that it's actually the more affluent people engaging in desperate tactics to get the sale items.

[x3shift]

Agree about the eBay factor, but disagree about most of the people doing this being poor. I find that it's actually the more affluent people engaging in desperate tactics to get the sale items.
:iagree:

[dakotus]

In addition, i got 4 of those 32" westys last yr, and the 42"s... and the 50"s... i got evertything!


Do you want a prize? or just endless bad luck because you took a laptop out of a starving college students hand?

sounds like you sure were starving alright

[ubaisore]

Last year I had planed to go with a buddy to camp out from about 10PM till the opening at a BB... i went to the store to get some more alcohol and saw the line started at 3:00 pm...so i called him, he got in line with me and i went to get us our supplies...we were number 17 and 18....
froze my butt off but needed to get two lappys and a desktop..it was cool with the people there..one couple got in a fight moving us to #15 and 16.... there was a fat idiot at the front of the line with his wife, borther and four kids.... he was bragging about getting a PS3 at a line up deal and then when he saw a kid crying he offered to sell one to the dad for $1000 markup and then says he told the kid that his dad must not love him enough if he wasnt willing to buy it... i wanted to knock his dumb a** out... though he was trying to pay with two credit cards and 7 people..when they handed out tickets some of his group were putting stuff back in the car and the BB employee (at my suggestion) made sure that each of his group could pay for the itmes (he wanted 1 of EVERYTHING)
he only got 2 of each item LMAO... the best part after that was the BB emplyees trying to sell $70 worth of Geek Squad services for the sub $200 items...it just killed me...

[ikonoklast]

Smearing feces (dog, cat, human, whatever floats your boat) all over yourself will keep the line cutters away.

BF is overrated, especially with all the hot deals available throughout the year.

[dratz]

With 15 minutes to go before door opening, the parking lot crowd began inching toward the door in hopes of jumping in front of all the people in line. Next thing I knew over half of the BB employees came outside and formed a human fence separating the people in line from the parking lot crowd preventing them from horning in. Gotta luv BB.

Yeah, we had all those people too, parked right before opening, stood across the street. I went up to some of them and informed them the back of the line was about a block back, some listened, most didnt. Best buy actually had cops though that were keeping the people from cutting.. so I thought that was pretty awesome. They also came out and passed out some food and orange juice. Chic-Fil-e or whatever was there too selling their chicken biscuit things. Overall, it was a pretty pleasant experience.. .although this year I dont have anyone to wait with if there are any good deals.

[dratz]

That's because it's an eBay reseller day now. All of the people lining up are most likely so poor, they have nothing to lose and will risk it all to make a hundred bucks selling a laptop on eBay.

Yeah... except when I went, everything I got was for myself. I wasnt shopping for anyone else, I was shopping for myself.

[note235]

BF has the lowest prices on any item

[TrekChick]

What i liked last year was that the BB i was at brought out many carts and made a line/barrier to prevent the line cutting somewhat. They might have also done this due to the mayhem that came about when they moved us all from one side of the building to the other. BUT, it worked quite well.

[phazein]

Yeah, we had all those people too, parked right before opening, stood across the street. I went up to some of them and informed them the back of the line was about a block back, some listened, most didnt. Best buy actually had cops though that were keeping the people from cutting.. so I thought that was pretty awesome. They also came out and passed out some food and orange juice. Chic-Fil-e or whatever was there too selling their chicken biscuit things. Overall, it was a pretty pleasant experience.. .although this year I dont have anyone to wait with if there are any good deals.

Best Buy in Pittsburg CA was the worst last year No security at all. The only time the cops came was because some a-hole decides to park his rv in from of the store. The worst thing is when best buy employees made people camping out to get away from the wall of the store to hand out the tickets. Giving everyone a chance to cut in front of the people inline. I camped out from 7pm the day before and was screwed. I ended up with some external hd and a camera printer. Biggest waste of time ever.

[Leonidas]

I would rather pay more to buy stuff to stay alive and get a good night's sleep :lol:

[dissident]

all the people here defending or admitting they bumrush should be ashamed of themselves for their selfishness. They're probably the same ones that order 50 of some good deal and spoil it for everyone.

[sdpsmurf]

This is what i do, just wait for the doors to open and rush on in....its usually too busy with everyone trying to get in that no one cares at that point......me and my buddy bogarted last year and got two walmart lappys......planning on doing the same this year....only suckers wait in line...:cheers:

You're such an @ss. And you really should take an English(writing) class.
~lol~

[jayeskreezy]

all the people here defending or admitting they bumrush should be ashamed of themselves for their selfishness. They're probably the same ones that order 50 of some good deal and spoil it for everyone.
i dont know about that, BUT at some places thats the only way you'll get in. ie Walmart. it's not like bumrushing will get you a big ticket item, but some places you have no choice. I have yet to see a Walmart with an organized single file line on BF. If you wait for the employees to line up they'll look at you like you're crazy.

[sdpsmurf]

This is what i do, just wait for the doors to open and rush on in....its usually too busy with everyone trying to get in that no one cares at that point......me and my buddy bogarted last year and got two walmart lappys......planning on doing the same this year....only suckers wait in line...:cheers:

all the people here defending or admitting they bumrush should be ashamed of themselves for their selfishness. They're probably the same ones that order 50 of some good deal and spoil it for everyone.

You are so right here dissident. A hand full of greedy buttwipes spoil things for everyone... including real slickdealers.
~Bravo for speaking out~

ps- Greedy Ebayers really do suck... esp those who admit it.
;)

[LucaBella]

You people scare me.. I know half of you are kidding, but there are plenty of you that think its perfectly acceptable to harm someone over a savings of 50 bux...

Jail time will change your views...

[Mr. Harley]

It depends on the level of law enforcement. In Louisville, KY they had a police prescence in most of the parking lots (telling me that some previous year there must have been a pretty serious assault/battery) and the police helicopters were out. Use a digital camera with a video recording ability, and calmly tell the line cutter you will inform law enforcement. Explain they can be arrested for "disturbing the peace" which can be used for anything the officer does not like (and that can cause a public fight - like cutting in front of people who have been waiting all night in the cold) and miss out on black Friday completely, or they can go to the end of the line. Inform them that you will play the video for the first officer you see. If they continue to threaten you, you have it all recorded and that is assault (assault is the threat essentially, battery the act). Complain to the first officer who drives by.

Our stores take lines very seriously - BB, CC, CompUSA at least, never done Walmart. Plus make friends with everyone around you and use those other techniques - arms locked, etc. It all depends on your stores and local law enforcement - ours are pretty sharp. Never had the problem where I've been in line, though I have gotten pretty irritated at cutters far enough ahead I could not do anything.

[h1qual1ty]

well i wait in my car where it's nice and warm and then walk in the door right as it opens. If there's no one enforcing the front door there's nothing anyone in line can do and I am not breaking the law in any way. I'm just walking into a store as it opens like everyone else, just not waiting in line to do it.

[jayeskreezy]

well i wait in my car where it's nice and warm and then walk in the door right as it opens. If there's no one enforcing the front door there's nothing anyone in line can do and I am not breaking the law in any way. I'm just walking into a store as it opens like everyone else, just not waiting in line to do it.
right. I don't see why people would get mad at you for that. Now, I would be upset if people are waiting in line for big ticket items and people are cutting-thus taking their ticket spots, but if you don't want to wait all night, but would like to enter the store at 5am when its open to get your special BF vacuum cleaner at Best Buy I don't see what that's wrong. Like I said it's when stores don't have a ticket policy that they honor that this becomes a problem (although if I had a ticket that would still be the first items I went to pick up just in case)

[papitosabe]

ROFL at subject header... i think that same subject has got to be on some elementary forum about cutting in the cafeteria line... if someone was to try and cut in front of me i'd say, "HEY F_ _ KHEAD, the end of the line is over there!!!" give em the look, and stare!! no matter who they are... then yell how everyone else doesn't appreciate them cutting in line...make a big scene, then they'll never think about it again.. Power to the people!...

[SMP]

Whats wrong with doing some pre BF homework. After you decide on which store or stores you are going to hit, ask management if they have a BF policy. If they are going to have a policy, get all the details. Follow up for any changes. If they are not going to have a policy or don't know, inform them of previous fiascoes. Offer ideas from this thread. Show them the youtube video. Every true SD'r should have some kind of portable video device.

I mean if you really want to stick it to the tag team tard thugs who plan to "bumrush" or "cut" in line, use your head and plan ahead. Get involved and contact your community leaders. Get them to contact the store and local authorities. I am sure they would be interested in the welfare of their constituents. Call the newspaper or local TV station and inform them that certain political leaders have no plan in place for the wellbeing of the community on BF. Cite names of community leaders and local police officials. Get them to call these leaders and officials for quotes for a story about BF safety and what they are doing to promote safety and protecting innocent citizens from greedy weapon wielding tard thugs who stand for the opposite of law and order.

If the store doesn't plan to do anything and it looks like there wont be any kind of order at the store, you have two choices. Go to another store that will have some kind of BF policy in place or join the "bunrushing" weiners.

[SlickEnW]

Whats wrong with doing some pre BF homework. After you decide on which store or stores you are going to hit, ask management if they have a BF policy. If they are going to have a policy, get all the details. Follow up for any changes. If they are not going to have a policy or don't know, inform them of previous fiascoes. Offer ideas from this thread. Show them the youtube video. Every true SD'r should have some kind of portable video device.

I mean if you really want to stick it to the tag team tard thugs who plan to "bumrush" or "cut" in line, use your head and plan ahead. Get involved and contact your community leaders. Get them to contact the store and local authorities. I am sure they would be interested in the welfare of their constituents. Call the newspaper or local TV station and inform them that certain political leaders have no plan in place for the wellbeing of the community on BF. Cite names of community leaders and local police officials. Get them to call these leaders and officials for quotes for a story about BF safety and what they are doing to promote safety and protecting innocent citizens from greedy weapon wielding tard thugs who stand for the opposite of law and order.

If the store doesn't plan to do anything and it looks like there wont be any kind of order at the store, you have two choices. Go to another store that will have some kind of BF policy in place or join the "bunrushing" weiners.

I liked your ideas until you said to name individual people...the only thing that will do is earn a perma ban on any black friday related line forming for the entire jurisdiction.

Its always been at the peoples risk if they want to line up outside. I get there at whatever time knowing that I have no guarentee that I will get the items but that most people will probably honor the line ( most people don't have the balls to do otherwise). If I get trampled on, i'll probably sue the guy that trampled on me, not best buy for not covering my ass.

Its pretty much up to us to hold our own :(.

[LucaBella]

Whats wrong with doing some pre BF homework. After you decide on which store or stores you are going to hit, ask management if they have a BF policy. If they are going to have a policy, get all the details. Follow up for any changes. If they are not going to have a policy or don't know, inform them of previous fiascoes. Offer ideas from this thread. Show them the youtube video. Every true SD'r should have some kind of portable video device.

I mean if you really want to stick it to the tag team tard thugs who plan to "bumrush" or "cut" in line, use your head and plan ahead. Get involved and contact your community leaders. Get them to contact the store and local authorities. I am sure they would be interested in the welfare of their constituents. Call the newspaper or local TV station and inform them that certain political leaders have no plan in place for the wellbeing of the community on BF. Cite names of community leaders and local police officials. Get them to call these leaders and officials for quotes for a story about BF safety and what they are doing to promote safety and protecting innocent citizens from greedy weapon wielding tard thugs who stand for the opposite of law and order.

If the store doesn't plan to do anything and it looks like there wont be any kind of order at the store, you have two choices. Go to another store that will have some kind of BF policy in place or join the "bunrushing" weiners.

Repped for an intelligent answer. You guys worrying about missing out for people not waiting in a line that has no meaning or legal value should call the stores and suggest to the managers that they give out tickets or coupons an hour before the store. Instead of planning to buy assault rifles and tasers for the Xmas season.

then you should seek therapy and try and learn what's really important, like the value of life.

[israel]

A dog is a bad idea... its gonna pee on someone... in addition its simple to call 911 bc of a pitt... 5-0 will make you leave the line... trust me someone will blow the whistle on you if you bring a viscous animal..

Also carrying a gun in plain sight (in a state where thats legal) is also silly... you think you are the only one packing? In addition, what are you gonna do if someone cuts you, and says "WHAT U GONNA DO ABOUT IT?"...

Its like pulling out a weapon, unless you are going to use it, you are just putting yourself in danger.

You are mental

[carbonfiber]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZJVZ2p223o&mode=related&search=
line cutters

[jayeskreezy]

Whats wrong with doing some pre BF homework. After you decide on which store or stores you are going to hit, ask management if they have a BF policy. If they are going to have a policy, get all the details. Follow up for any changes. If they are not going to have a policy or don't know, inform them of previous fiascoes. Offer ideas from this thread. Show them the youtube video. Every true SD'r should have some kind of portable video device.

I mean if you really want to stick it to the tag team tard thugs who plan to "bumrush" or "cut" in line, use your head and plan ahead. Get involved and contact your community leaders. Get them to contact the store and local authorities. I am sure they would be interested in the welfare of their constituents. Call the newspaper or local TV station and inform them that certain political leaders have no plan in place for the wellbeing of the community on BF. Cite names of community leaders and local police officials. Get them to call these leaders and officials for quotes for a story about BF safety and what they are doing to promote safety and protecting innocent citizens from greedy weapon wielding tard thugs who stand for the opposite of law and order.

If the store doesn't plan to do anything and it looks like there wont be any kind of order at the store, you have two choices. Go to another store that will have some kind of BF policy in place or join the "bunrushing" weiners.
lol this would work in a perfect world or a town/location with less than a 500,000 people but do you think in NYC this will matter or work? I think not. Calling a congressman for BF? Is it REALLY that serious? I doubt they'll be camping overnight at Best Buy to get the latest LCD. Lol. Like I said as long as you go to a place with semi-decent order you'll be ok. If you'd like to go to Walmart then you need to understand what comes with the territory.

[HookedUpStang]

That's because it's an eBay reseller day now. All of the people lining up are most likely so poor, they have nothing to lose and will risk it all to make a hundred bucks selling a laptop on eBay.
Uhh... i sell stuff on ebay.. im not poor lol.. poor people dont have a computer/internet to sell them. nor the $ to lay out

sounds like you sure were starving alright
Where does starving come into making $ and having fun?

You are mental Thanks

[captbly]

How'd you get so many Tv's? Don't they limit those to 1 per customer?

Man, this is what pisses me off. I wait out in line all night....then the 3 guys that are in front of me take the last Westy Monitors. There were 9 left and they took them all. I said hey, you cant buy but 1 of them.. they said no, we are buying them all. I didnt get involved with the manager, but I wish I had thinking back.

What they did was kept all of them in the store and 1 guy would pay for one of them...walk out and come back in to pay for another. Just pissed me off.

there is nothing also to keep someone from holding multiple units in the store, phoning their friends and over they come.

Stores must IMO hand out 1 ticket per person and you can only buy with that ticket. Why dont they do that?

[zohyeahz]

Man, this is what pisses me off. I wait out in line all night....then the 3 guys that are in front of me take the last Westy Monitors. There were 9 left and they took them all. I said hey, you cant buy but 1 of them.. they said no, we are buying them all. I didnt get involved with the manager, but I wish I had thinking back.

What they did was kept all of them in the store and 1 guy would pay for one of them...walk out and come back in to pay for another. Just pissed me off.

there is nothing also to keep someone from holding multiple units in the store, phoning their friends and over they come.

Stores must IMO hand out 1 ticket per person and you can only buy with that ticket. Why dont they do that?

The CC where I live are the 1 per person nazis. My nephew (age 10) stayed in line with me all night (over 8 hours) to get a laptop and they didn't want to give him a voucher. I asked them if they wanted to publicly declare him a non-person and submit themselves to an age discrimination lawsuit. Needless to say, he got his voucher.

NO WAY would one person have gotten more than one. Guess that's good for me and bad for the fleabayers.

[h1qual1ty]

The CC where I live are the 1 per person nazis. My nephew (age 10) stayed in line with me all night (over 8 hours) to get a laptop and they didn't want to give him a voucher. I asked them if they wanted to publicly declare him a non-person and submit themselves to an age discrimination lawsuit. Needless to say, he got his voucher.

NO WAY would one person have gotten more than one. Guess that's good for me and bad for the fleabayers.

the thing is that everyone has the same idea and sells the computers around the same time flodding the market which means not as much profit will be made. You want to wait in line all night for a $200 laptop which you can turn around and sell for maybe $350 or $400? I'd rather just get a better job and sleep in my own comfy bed.

I do think it's fun waiting in line on black friday and i usually get there half an hour early to people watch and get deals but pulling an all nighter in a cold parking lot is not my idea of fun. :lmao:

[baggio79]

i usually go 30 mins prior, then watch when they open the doors....see all the overweight americans run for the door like a herd of cattle.

[llewxam]

I don't do anything to the line cutters because if they are ballsy enough to do that in front of a crowd, they are going to do whatever it takes. But if the crowd surrounds the line cutters and starts beating them senseless, I don't think I can help myself from getting a few kicks in too.

[eyem@cvs]

I don't do anything to the line cutters because if they are ballsy enough to do that in front of a crowd, they are going to do whatever it takes. But if the crowd surrounds the line cutters and starts beating them senseless, I don't think I can help myself from getting a few kicks in too.

My name is ... and I'm powerless to resist mob violence....:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

[Thaineseguy]

Although i dont agree with this, i say the store is really the ones to blame. I think they need to stress to all employees...

IF SOMEONE COMES FOR A BIG TICKET ITEM AND DOES NOT HAVE A TICKET.... THEY CANNOT BUY IT!

In 2005, i had a ticket for a toshiba laptop and they said... your guarenteed one, go ahead, walk around the store and pick up some other things (which i did do). So when i get to the line selling the laptops, i was the 5th person in line, and the lady said.... All i have is 3 more left. I was lucky i was the third person with a ticket. and everyone shouted behind me because they had tickets and no more laptops left.


Sounds like my experience when the xbox 360 first came out. My roommates and I went to Costco 12 hours before the store opened and the first 5 of us there started a list. One of the employees told us how many 360s they had so we made a list for the exact number of people.

when the store opened they were nice enough to honor the list and hand out tickets, but one unlucky guy at the end didn't get his because an employee kept one for himself. we saw him cut in line and get the xbox. BAST@RD! heh



Oh, and last BF @ CompUSA, there was a nice organized line formed outside the door. But once the doors opened up, the line disappeared and everyone was carrying me into the store. I pretty much just lifted up my legs and I was going along with the crowd. it was kinda fun :lol:

[Dr.Murdoc]

Purchase "caution tape" at your local hardware store for about $5 for a 3000 foot line. Most CC & BB stores have some sort of pillars in the front, especially if part of a mini mall. I got others in line to help me and made a sort-of makeshift stanchon between the first three pillars with caution tape. I've had BAD experiences with line cutters in the past and honestly this was the best method I've ever found.

very good idea. :nod:

[SMP]

lol this would work in a perfect world or a town/location with less than a 500,000 people but do you think in NYC this will matter or work? I think not. Calling a congressman for BF? Is it REALLY that serious? I doubt they'll be camping overnight at Best Buy to get the latest LCD. Lol. Like I said as long as you go to a place with semi-decent order you'll be ok. If you'd like to go to Walmart then you need to understand what comes with the territory.

I am talking about local government not state or federal. Although, it wouldn't hurt to call a state or federal congressman. What do you have to lose? If enough people call, they might look into it more or get in touch with someone at the local level. None of us live in a perfect world, but if you know how to work any sytem you can get things accomplished rather well. It usually only takes one person to start something. He tells someone else and pretty soon ALOT of people are doing it. That's exactly what we do on his website. One person posts a great deal and then thousands of people get in on it.

Is it serious? It could be. From what I have read about BF just on this forum, it seems that BF gets progressively more violent year by year. Prevention of a serious injury to yourself or someone you care about would be the ultimate goal.

[SMP]

I liked your ideas until you said to name individual people...the only thing that will do is earn a perma ban on any black friday related line forming for the entire jurisdiction.

Its always been at the peoples risk if they want to line up outside. I get there at whatever time knowing that I have no guarentee that I will get the items but that most people will probably honor the line ( most people don't have the balls to do otherwise). If I get trampled on, i'll probably sue the guy that trampled on me, not best buy for not covering my ass.

Its pretty much up to us to hold our own :(.

The goal is to have some order at these things and PREVENT injuries. I am just offering ideas that could be benificial for everyone's safety. The idea with the names of local officials is that whatever happens, good or bad, someone in local government will be held accountable with documented proof.

I am not sure how they would ban lines outside of department stores or if that is even possible. You should contact your local government and ask them. It is easy and gives you a sense of power. You can impress people with your ability to inluence hundreds or even thousands of people. You can feel good about helping other people. You can start to change the world and make it a better place. Don't think one person can make a difference? It only takes one person to post a slickdeal.



Courses of action after getting injured is a totally different topic of discussion.

[dreamwarrior]

who cares. everyone gets in within 5 minutes anyway

[shanecrow99]

If all else fails go "covert" at Best Buy.

Pick up one of these

HERE (http://cgi.ebay.com/Blue-Best-Buy-Employee-Uniform-Polo-Shirt-NAMETAG-XL_W0QQitemZ180169968022QQihZ008QQcategoryZ57990QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

I sure am tempted to pick this up and infiltrate the store.

[TrekChick]

If all else fails go "covert".

Pick up one of these

HERE (http://cgi.ebay.com/Blue-Best-Buy-Employee-Uniform-Polo-Shirt-NAMETAG-XL_W0QQitemZ180169968022QQihZ008QQcategoryZ57990QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

I sure am tempted to pick this up and infiltrate the store.


Do people have to pay for their own uniforms? The mind boggles.... :shake:

[krazeekid7]

Uniforms - very good idea :)

[Dr.Murdoc]

very interesting

[i_am_amused]

Wow, there are some tough writers posting here. Too bad it's all just talk... :lmao:

It's amazing how the internet can help people be as tough as they wish they were.

[number six]

My uncle and I were number 1/2 in line at the Roseville, California BestBuy. We were lined up as early as Tuesday afternoon. #3 and #4 came to line up Wednesday afternoon. My point im making is people literally SKIP thanksgiving in order to get on to these deals. Its more difficult if you have a family, like myself, but I was waiting in line because they wanted stuff too, so no problems. I can stick with leftovers. Hell a person can have a turkey dinner 364.25 other days a year, meanwhile, you can only partake in a blackfriday once a year!


Man I hope your joking. I mean, god bless everyone willing to sacrifice thanksgiving with their families to score a cheap laptop, but I just don't see how it's worth it. First the time involved, nearly 24 hours spent outside in miserable conditions worrying about people stealing your spot? Sounds horrible. The worst part is completely missing out on Thanksgiving. I'm not much of a 'Family' guy, but hell, I do like Thanksgiving. I don't think i'd blow that off for a cheap korean LCD tv. And most of the time you can get these 'door busters' throughout the year for similiar prices if you keep an eye out. I bought my wife a decent laptop 2 1/2 years ago for $400 at OD and its still working fine. I've seen $300-$350 laptops as best buy all year.. sure, that's not $199.. but thanksgiving with my family and 20 or so hours of my time is worth more than $100 to me.. but I guess there are different perspectives.

I've done BF twice in the last few years. Usually I just figure out the place with the all around best deals and head there at around opening time. Usually the line is chaos and everyone has trampled in within 10 minutes anyway, so I'm more than happy to get in at some point close to opening. Chances are many of the 'hot ticket' items will be gone, but you can usually spot the 'selling below retail' door buster items from the list and concentrate more on the still good, but not rediculous deals. I picked up my Westinghouse LCD off one a few years back, got the last one but I just walked in 10 minutes after opening and didn't deal with the lines.

The other caveat is how many times have people stood in line for something to either get cut on, have the tickets 'raffled' or come to find out that after 15 hours of waiting at spot #4 that they only have 3? Just doesn't seem worth it to me. But that's just me.

[RoundSparrow]

Man I hope your joking. I mean, god bless everyone willing to sacrifice thanksgiving with their families to score a cheap laptop, but I just don't see how it's worth it. First the time involved, nearly 24 hours spent outside in miserable conditions worrying about people stealing your spot? Sounds horrible


You know that music on the radio that everybody you know hates.... there is a group of people out there that LOVE IT.

Same goes with everything else. There are people who LOVE waiting in line and being first.

[SlickEnW]

Same goes with everything else. There are people who LOVE waiting in line and being first.

Right here! #1 w00t!! :bounce:

[phistyle]

blah blah blah....forget the lines and everybody just bumrush the store already....im pretty sure they wont have that many employees or cops to bring you down anyways.... why freeze to death and wait all night when every single person can just show up an hour before they let you in, crowd around the store and CHARGE RIGHT IN!!!!!!!!!!!

Simple isnt it? no need to discuss retarded ass strategy because you know why? THIS IS AMERICA!!!!

[Dr.Murdoc]

blah blah blah....forget the lines and everybody just bumrush the store already....im pretty sure they wont have that many employees or cops to bring you down anyways.... why freeze to death and wait all night when every single person can just show up an hour before they let you in, crowd around the store and CHARGE RIGHT IN!!!!!!!!!!!

Simple isnt it? no need to discuss retarded ass strategy because you know why? THIS IS AMERICA!!!!
never a word when i wear the glock jacket.
Nor a bum rush.

[eyem@cvs]

why no bum rush in front of me.
two words
Cocked Glock
I have a gun license.
never ever had people say a word when i wear the glock jacket.

I think the linecutter is a complete dirtbag, but....

Wow, are you seriously saying you would pull a gun on someone for cutting in line. Glad I'm not in your neck of the woods.:eek:

I suppose your post might just be an attempt to keep more away from BF sales, though, similar to the sweet deals that people like to thumbs down.:shake:

[phistyle]

yea like your puny glock would scare anybody....seriously like you going to whip it out and shoot somebody for rushing into a store....and if you do pull it out....have fun in court trying to prove your life was in danger......sure the court would say that you knew the precautions and you could of stayed home but instead you bring a deadly weapon to stop linecutters....I have a gun license too but that doesnt mean you can just take it out and go gun crazy because somebody cut u in line....they just let anybody have guns these days dont they...sheesh....

[Boshingtang]

Yeah you're a big man Dr.Murdoc, hiding behind your gun. Grow some balls.

[Dr.Murdoc]

yea like your puny glock would scare anybody....seriously like you going to whip it out and shoot somebody for rushing into a store....and if you do pull it out....have fun in court trying to prove your life was in danger......sure the court would say that you knew the precautions and you could of stayed home but instead you bring a deadly weapon to stop linecutters....I have a gun license too but that doesnt mean you can just take it out and go gun crazy because somebody cut u in line....they just let anybody have guns these days dont they...sheesh....

twas meant to be a joke don't take things so seriously. :lol:
people that take things to serious give me a headache :nod:

Yeah you're a big man Dr.Murdoc, hiding behind your gun. Grow some balls.

again meant to be a joke and when it comes to life I am sure I have bigger balls than you. :lol:

[Dr.Murdoc]

I think the linecutter is a complete dirtbag, but....

Wow, are you seriously saying you would pull a gun on someone for cutting in line. Glad I'm not in your neck of the woods.:eek:

I suppose your post might just be an attempt to keep more away from BF sales, though, similar to the sweet deals that people like to thumbs down.:shake:

Nope I would not pull a gun on someone that cut it line. However I would if someone tried to rob me. They had a few robberies around here in the past on BF. :nod:

[srtpusher]

um, i would be careful in texas.



Mar. 27, 2007

Gov. Perry Signs Law Allowing Texans to Protect Themselves
SB 378 Permits Texans to Use Deadly Force in Self Defense

AUSTIN – Gov. Rick Perry today signed into law Senate Bill 378, extending Texans’ rights to use deadly force for means of self-defense, without retreat, in their home, vehicle or workplace. The law takes effect Sept. 1, 2007.

“The right to defend oneself from an imminent act of harm should not only be clearly defined in Texas law, but is intuitive to human nature,” said Gov. Perry. “Today, I am proud to sign the Castle Law which allows Texans to not only protect themselves from criminals, but to receive the protection of state law when circumstances dictate that they use deadly force.

“I thank Senator Jeff Wentworth, Representative Joe Driver and the Texas Legislature for their dedication to ensuring Texans’ rights to self-defense.”

In 1995, the Texas Legislature created an exception to a 1973 statute, which required a person to retreat in the face of a criminal attack. The exception allowed a person to use force without retreat when an intruder unlawfully entered their home. Senate Bill 378 extends a person’s right to stand their ground beyond the home to vehicles and workplaces, allowing the reasonable use of deadly force when an intruder is:

Committing certain violent crimes, such as murder or sexual assault, or is attempting to commit such crimes;
Unlawfully trying to enter a protected place; or
Unlawfully trying to remove a person from a protected place.
The law also provides civil immunity for a person who lawfully uses deadly force in the above circumstances. The use of deadly force is not lawful when it is used to provoke or if a crime other than a Class C misdemeanor is committed by the victim.


full law "Shoot First" (http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/80R/billtext/pdf/SB00378F.pdf)
line cutters have been proven time and time again to start riots. that would put me in danger.

also, the law states force can be used to stop a robbery - would line cutting constitute robbery? they are taking a place in line that is not theirs. can you "own" a place in line?

hate to be the line cutter who gets to test the law...

[SlickEnW]

line cutters have been proven time and time again to start riots. that would put me in danger.



:lmao: :lmao: LOL

Preventative maintenance at its best!!!1!
Repped for logic!

[phistyle]

lol you serious? robbery is not in the same category as "taking somebody else's place in line". Maybe if you actually owned the property then maybe....just maybe....


Definition: Robbery is the crime of seizing property through violence or intimidation. More precisely, at common law, robbery was defined as taking the property of another, with the intent to permanently deprive the person of that property, by means of force or fear.

its not your property so shoot away and good luck in court with that....unless the person just cut you in line and push ur happy ass away then maybe you have a case...but if that person just cuts you in line and ignores anything you say then tough luck...

[srtpusher]

lol you serious? robbery is not in the same category as "taking somebody else's place in line". Maybe if you actually owned the property then maybe....just maybe....


Definition: Robbery is the crime of seizing property through violence or intimidation. More precisely, at common law, robbery was defined as taking the property of another, with the intent to permanently deprive the person of that property, by means of force or fear.

its not your property so shoot away and good luck in court with that....unless the person just cut you in line and push ur happy ass away then maybe you have a case...but if that person just cuts you in line and ignores anything you say then tough luck...


see, this is where the law gets fun. if BB were handing out tickets, and due to the line cutting i did not get a ticket, did that person just not "steal" from me? and during the line cutting that person would have used fear to maintain the place in line.

this is also why i asked "can you "own" a place in line?"

[Demosthenes9]

see, this is where the law gets fun. if BB were handing out tickets, and due to the line cutting i did not get a ticket, did that person just not "steal" from me? and during the line cutting that person would have used fear to maintain the place in line.

this is also why i asked "can you "own" a place in line?"

Not sure about "stealing", but, two years ago, a kid (here in Louisville) sat in line all night and was first to get a voucher for a cheap laptop. He immediately turned around and offered to sell the voucher to the highest bidder. Some guy came up and paid the kid $50 for the voucher. BB manager saw the transaction and had the police arrest the kid for scalping.

[Dr.Murdoc]

lol you serious? robbery is not in the same category as "taking somebody else's place in line". Maybe if you actually owned the property then maybe....just maybe....


Definition: Robbery is the crime of seizing property through violence or intimidation. More precisely, at common law, robbery was defined as taking the property of another, with the intent to permanently deprive the person of that property, by means of force or fear.

its not your property so shoot away and good luck in court with that....unless the person just cut you in line and push ur happy ass away then maybe you have a case...but if that person just cuts you in line and ignores anything you say then tough luck...

Look you must not be from a real city. People have had their wallet and other things taken here in black Friday lines. People have been also had cars stolen and broken into while they are in line. It is not safe to be in line late at night with money alone or with very few people. Think about it.

[ebishy]

Taking pics or vids won't help. The only true way is for you and everyone else in line to be an arse to anyone who dares butt in.

It really depends on store management. I've seen professional lines at CompUSA and complete clusterclucks at BB. The worst I ever saw was a pregnant woman fake being sick right before opening (great acting job really), employees let her in to use the bathroom yet three minutes later she was first in line for the HP Wal-Mart lappy they did.

This is also part of the reason I don't bother with BF anymore since truly slick deals can be found year-round.

I agree with not bothering with BF. Is it really worth all the hassle, time and stress when you can find deals year round. Sometimes the deals year round are better than BF. It's just not worth the stress and headache sometimes.

[phistyle]

Look you must not be from a real city. People have had their wallet and other things taken here in black Friday lines. People have been also had cars stolen and broken into while they are in line. It is not safe to be in line late at night with money alone or with very few people. Think about it.
Did you not read what I wrote? I didnt say taking items and money from a person wasnt robbery... I said "just running and cutting somebody in line" isnt.....lets say you were standing in line and somebody just strolls up and stand right in front of you in line and all you're doing is facing his back...and you keep going excuse me, excuse me...you cut me in line sir and he doesnt acknowledge you and completely ignores you as if you weren't there...what are you going to do? just hit the guy and shove him out the way....now after you done that he can reverse and charge your stupid ass for battery and attempted robbery and say that you were trying to rob him instead...your words against him and his friends...so it gonna be a "he say" , "you say" debate...and he actually has the advantage since he didnt hurt you in any way and you hit him...

[plaidpalmtrees]

lol, you were prolly the poor sap who waited all night and got cutted in front of....lol


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[plaidpalmtrees]

I don't know why they can't use those numbered tab thingies you get at the meat counter at the supermarket or Secretary of State office when they call you up. If you don't have a number that corresponds with the position you are in line, then you're kicked out line before entering the store. One person through the door every 10 seconds to avoid mad rush. I know this idea would not work, but one can dream :)

I was thinking the exact same thing! :)

But then I'm sure people would end up making their own numbers at home after the first year. When it comes to BF all bets are off for people to act civilized. :(

[plaidpalmtrees]

Did anyone write this: use a different color(not black, red, or blue) Sharpie and mark people's hands with numbers.

so smart!

[Dr.Murdoc]

I was thinking the exact same thing! :)

But then I'm sure people would end up making their own numbers at home after the first year. When it comes to BF all bets are off for people to act civilized. :(

true I am not even driving my new car there. I will take my old truck. I saw a few small parking lot wrecks last year.